Turner is looking to take localisation efforts for its kids channels to the next level. It has announced a slew of five locally produced shows which will air on Pogo while two will be on Cartoon Network.
Turner also wants to expand associations with more local production houses as the talent pool in India is huge.
Indiantelevision.com's Ashwin Pinto caught up with Turner Entertainment VP creative and original content Orion Ross to find out more about Turner's plans in India.
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The aim this year is to take local efforts to the next level. How is this being done? |
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What is the ratio between international and locally produced content that you are looking at? We are putting Ben 10 into the premiere 6 pm slot on Cartoon Network. This is the after school must see TV slot. M.A.D. and Skatoony are on Sunday mornings. I don't think that the number of hours is an important metric. What matters is what are the key destinations that people know your channel for? What are the flagships of your brand? Pogo has to have Harry Potter and M.A.D. These are the two pillars of the brand. Cartoon Network has to have Krishna and Ben 10. |
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Could you shed light on the production values and budgets of these shows? It repeats really well. In the first season we found that the repeat episodes had more ratings than the premiere. So M.A.D. has built up its audience. We invested a lot into this production to ensure that each episode has a lot of content. It takes more time to shoot. It has to be well researched. Before every series we do a full workshop where we go and try out 20 theme ideas. We build all the stuff to see what it looks like. So before we go into production we make sure that it will actually work. Our per half hour cost is pretty high. Ben 10, for instance, is a combination of an international style with anime touches. |
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Is Turner looking at taking a stake in an Indian production company? There are some companies that are better suited to some ideas than to others. We like the flexibility of being able to pick a la carte. |
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With which Indian production houses does Turner have tie ups with? We are also really happy to be working with Siddhartha Basu and Synergy Adlabs on FAQ. For the science show they bring a lot of expertise to actually making educational science shows. |
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Before you give the go ahead to a local concept, what are the key things you look for? We talk to mothers. We get a lot of mail. So we are informed by all of this. What we would do from a local concept point of view is that when someone comes to us with an idea, we ask is it right for the channels? Does it fit our brand? Is it positive, optimistic, of global standard, and off-centre? We want everything we make in India to be world class. M.A.D. is a show that can be comfortably compared to any kids show on any channel anywhere in the world. If we get a good idea, it turns into a creative development process. This is about finding the right writers, production company, right graphic designers if required, the right people to build game show mechanisms. Every show has a different kind of gestation process. |
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You mentioned the importance of innovation. Could you give examples of this from the new slate? But we decided against doing X-Files kind of show. We are not going to do magic lamps, genies. This show takes kids and mystery solving more seriously. This doesn't make it any less exciting. There are still these quirky stories that happen. While we like to have a lot of fun, Pogo takes its audience seriously. We never talk down to kids. We figure that it is better to treat kids a little bit older than they are - as opposed to the other way around. The worst thing you can do is talk to a 14-year-old like an eight year old. It is always better to err on the side of being too smart. As far as M.A.D. is concerned, people have been doing arts and crafts shows on children's television for five decades. However, nobody has done it in the way that Rob has. He has brought a lot to the table in terms of his own take on things. Nobody has incorporated music, art and dance together. The idea that every show has a dance number is very Indian. M.A.D. is an Indian take on the format. It hasn't been tried anywhere else in the world but it works well here. With Skatoony for the first time you have kids and cartoons in one show. |
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Skatoony is a unique concept in that it fuses live action and animation. How does this work? |
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Galli Galli Sim Sim looks to strike a balance between entertainment and education. Is this going to be an important focus area for you going forward? We also have an outreach programme so that it even travels to places where people do not have television. It is a different project form your regular TV show. It is about benefiting all kids and making pre-schoolers better prepared for school and life. It is a challenge to reach all kids with one show. There are many diverse socio-economic backgrounds. But the thing about this show is that despite the gritty message, it is also a lot of fun. It has to be both educational and entertaining at the same time. Otherwise, neither mission works. |
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Will locally produced shows also travel to other markets like the US? The format of M.A.D. can travel. Cumballa Investigation Agency is a format that can work really well. We will launch our local animation projects in the future. Those will also travel well overseas. |
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Does localisation play an important role across Asia? So we are doing animation series in Thailand, Australia, Taiwan, Korea, Japan and Hong Kong. We focus on animation across the region as there is so much talent. We also feel that if there is a really funny guy in say Thailand who comes up with a cartoon, then it will travel really well. We have a lot of shows in the early development stages. |
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How much of your revenue goes back into original productions? |
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Are you also looking at making original films? |
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How do you see the kids genre evolving over the next couple of years in India? As the market matures and with the different players in the kids market working together, we can grow the genre. That is why we welcome competition. Having investment and attention focussed on this sector not just by us but also by other players will benefit everybody in the long run. |
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One challenge is that with youth channels now launching, the upper age of your audiences may migrate. How do you see things panning out? Teens watch less television. They are more engaged with doing other activities. They socialise more. Their studies become more intense. They have less time for entertainment. So good luck to channels chasing this audience segment. They are very hard fish to catch. They will not necessarily sit and watch a linear network. |
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What plans do you have to exploit new media platforms? As broadband penetration grows in the country, more content will become available online through streaming. Our on demand services will grow. We already have a number of mobile content deals. Short cartoons are a perfect packet for the mobile. Sending a fan a sentimental cartoon on his/her mobile is a great way to forge closer connect. It is important for us to get people to experience our brands in as many ways as possible. But it is not just high tech stuff. Our theme parks are coming up outside Delhi. This is another platform. With M.A.D. we have a publishing deal. Fans can get books and learn how Rob does all his stuff. |
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When is the theme park coming up and are attractions modelled after characters and shows like what Disney is doing? |